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A Review of the DeMar/Hovind Debate on the Rapture

I and a few dear friends traveled in an intemperate cold evening somewhere in Alabama (I remain unsure) to hear a debate on the nature of the rapture in the Bible. The fellowship in these sorts of things is always more glorious than the thing itself. A great time was had by all.

The debate between Gary DeMar and Kent Hovind combined for me two worlds. Hovind’s world is surrounded by KJV Onlyism, Creationism and a hint of paranoia. Perhaps valid on his part. Demar’s world is surrounded by the Theonomic heritage, Prophetic studies and a pint of a good drink. I unashamedly have been of Gary’s tribe for almost two decades. So, there will be nothing of surprise in my assessment.

Gary and I have known each other since 2004. I met he, Gary North and others in a Super Worldview Conference in Georgia. Our worlds have come together on several occasions and our mutual friends keep our theological communities aligned. At almost 70, he is just as sharp as when I first met him and his hunger for biblical consistency allows him to speak with integrity and passion.

I want to outline three elements of the debate that made an impression on me. I attended the debate but didn’t bother to take exact notes, so my thoughts serve to summarize rather than to be precise.

The first striking element was the unpreparedness of Gary’s opponent, Kent Hovind. Gary DeMar is and has been a premier voice in the eschatology discussion for more than 30 years. When Hovind said he read over 100 books on eschatology while in prison, either he purposefully avoided reading diverse voices or he strongly overstated his numbers. I can honestly say that no one who is seriously studying eschatology is going to miss Gary DeMar’s name. His sheer amount of publications on this topic at both popular and technical level is superior to virtually any theologian out there. His classic Last Days Madness has gone through nine revisions. On several occasions, Kent said, “He was curious to find out what Gary believed.”

In sum, it is truly disappointing to see someone debate who has not taken any interest in finding out who his opponent is or what is his precise theological trajectory. In this particular point, Gary’s preparedness shined through and I assume that even Kent was aware of it by the end of the debate.

The second striking element was the fallacy of hasty generalizations. Kent rushed to conclusions without considering alternative possibilities. In the discussion on Daniel 9:24-27 ( a crucial point in the debate about the rapture), Hovind assumed Daniel’s prophecy offered a gap between the 69th and 70th week. Further, that such gap could only be fulfilled in the future. This is a common occurrence within pre-millennial presentations. Such generalizations lead the debater to make illicit assumptions without focusing on the logic and wording of the text. Generalizations keep you from questioning your presuppositions; something evident as the evening went by.

On several moments, Gary seized the moment and drew Hovind to his inevitable conclusion. In fact, DeMar’s glorious moment was to require Hovind to look at the life of Jesus as a fulfillment of the 70th week. Kent’s Post-trib, pre-wrath position keeps him centered in a future rebuilt temple, while Daniel’s prophecy calls us to look at Jesus as the One who makes covenant and establishes an everlasting kingdom in his earthly ministry. In short, the generalizations kept Hovind from seeing the text’s clear implications.

Finally, the third striking element was the constant danger of literalism in a discussion about biblical prophecy. It is almost too common, but Kent’s arguments often highlighted words that were strikingly symbolic but he viewed them through the lens of a literalism. In one case, he asked DeMar whether Daniel’s prophecy could really be applied to Jesus because Jesus obviously didn’t bring in “everlasting righteousness” (Dan. 9:24). But a quick perusal through Hebrews clearly illustrates that Daniel’s prophecy is of Jesus–not the anti-christ–bringing a righteousness that endures and is imputed to us in his death, resurrection and ascension.

At one crucial moment, Hovind inquired of Demar if the sun had literally darkened in Isaiah 13. “There is no historical record of such,” he said. Demar quickly pushed the argument and Hovind conceded that the language is symbolic. Check. Mate.

The end of the matter is that the debate was an awakening moment for those who do not see the Bible in totus. The Gospel writers wrote with their Hebraic context surrounding their every inspired jot and tittle. When we disengage or divorce the text, we suffer a thousand deaths (be aware: symbolic language used). What DeMar did on that frigid evening of January 21st, 2020 was to make Hovind’s large YouTube population aware that notions of the rapture have been misinterpreted and reports that preterism is dead are greatly exaggerated.

8 Responses to A Review of the DeMar/Hovind Debate on the Rapture

  1. Uri,

    This is typical of DeMar. Debate the lowest hanging fruit and think you have refuted futurism. It may work with his tribe but not in the scholarly world.

    https://www.alankurschner.com/2020/01/09/a-note-on-the-upcoming-rapture-debate-between-gary-demar-and-kent-hovind/

    Alan

    • Kuyperian says:

      Alan,
      Many thanks for reading. I hope you all have an opportunity to debate in the future. Cheers.

    • Allen pitman says:

      Typical dispensational response.Prideful,condescending,”tribes”.Gary is a faithful teacher of the Word, and is always respectful and loving in trying to open the eyes of those who are so deceived.So sad that futurists so often resort to accusation and name calling, which is always the fools refuge.

  2. Allen pitman says:

    Typical dispensational response.Prideful,condescending,”tribes”.Gary is a faithful teacher of the Word, and is always respectful and loving in trying to open the eyes of those who are so deceived.So sad that futurists so often resort to accusation and name calling, which is always the fools refuge.

  3. Ronald Jaggers says:

    I and my family are fans of both Demar and Hovind. I saw the debate and would give the edge to DeMar. I would like to hear DeMar’s replay to Hovind”s comment that Prespterians believe you can lose your salvation.

    • Kuyperian says:

      There are dozens of Presbyterian denominations just as there are dozens of varieties of Baptists and Methodists. I can assure you that Gary does not endorse any notion that once a saint is elected by God he can be un-elected.

  4. Frank Schlernitzauer says:

    To understand anything properly in the scriptures we must recognize and understand He glories in deliberately concealing matters for us to search Him out. See Proverbs 25:2 KJVo
    Demar curiously recognizes pre wrath rapture is best because scripture says so, to me that is also check mate.
    Recently found an interesting link between Amos 5:19 KJV and 1 Thessalonians 5:3 KJV; in each of these verses what connects them to the same specific prophetic event is the verse before each which tells us each is speaking of the day of the LORD. There is a point of humor too, to Amos 5:18’s reference to the day of the LORD’s return in light of all the christians desiring the day of the LORD’s return, to rapture them from these darkening days, He warns them, telling them His return is darkness and not light. Much is concealed here, comparing them reveals much more than can be understood with a cursory reading, and if you bring to mind at same time Matthew 24:29-31 much comes to mind, understanding too, like why does the whole world “mourn” the appearing of Son of man in clouds of heaven? Verse 31 even tells us the trumpet sounds, of course elsewhere we are told this trumpet is actually His voice!

    P.s the antichrist does make a covenant; go look at the four horseman of Revelation of whom the first the white who rides the longest, 3 1/2 years comes with a bow in his hand (symbolic of His covenant via a rainbow in OT), and a covenant of peace too which he breaks btw. Daniel says by peace he will destroy many. Remember Proverbs 25:2

    Might want to look up Proverbs 26:7,9 too btw, and “fool” here is not translated aright by design of HS of course in KJV, the literal Hebrew here is [thee] self confident, who of course is a fool as he consistently leans unto his own understanding- read these two proverbs above verses 7, & 9 then go to Matthew 13:33 KJV and tell me what leaven is here. Many say it is thee Gospel; LOL, with zero scripture to back up their understanding, because there is none.

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